but rather to a country that didn't really know where korea was on the map. >> reporter: these days a great many americans don't really know much about the korean war. it has become the providence of historians and old soldiers. >> who are you are? >> captain benjamin franklin pearce, who are you? >> it has been more shaped by the tv show m.a.s.h. than any reality. making it almost certain the forgotten war will stay that way. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> thank you for joining us. i'll see you tomorrow beginning at 12:00 noon eastern time. hello everyone, i'm ashleigh banfield, and a busy day happening now. more serious fallout from the scandal at rutgers universal. espn is reporting that athletic

director tim pernetti is out of a job. this comes after the resignation of the assistant coach, jimmy martelli. for martelli this all is a result of what you have on your screen, a video broadcast by espn showing coaches, at least one in particular, physically and verbally abusing the players. our pamela brown joins us now on the telephone. pamela, what more do you know about this decision? is this whiplash? is this strategic? or is there nothing to read into it because it's just too early? >> reporter: right now, it is too early. we have been reaching out to the university today. so far, officials they are staying tight-lipped. there is a press conference at 1:00 today at rutgers university, so we hope to learn more then. but right now, according to espn and other reports, a decision was reached thursday that tim pernetti, the athletic director

at rutgers will go as well. per nettie took responsibility for the decision back in december to suspend mike rice after he became aware of the video that we saw. and that video was released to the public on tuesday. from there there was major public outrage that rice wasn't fired. of course we learned on wednesday that rice was fired. we also learned, as you mentioned, that the assistant basketball coach, jimmy martelli, resigned on the heels of rice's firing. again, we are hoping to learn more at this 1:00 press conference, but that is what we know right now. >> so i'm just getting some updated information here, pamela. i'm getting it as we speak, and that is the university is either trying to get ahead of this or catch up to this, has announced that they're going to give a full public press conference at

1:00 pm about these reports about per nettie's firing. and at the same time, i have to ask you, if you read the blogs about this, you will see a lot of people outraged but you will also see a lot of players who say, what's the big deal? i've been through this. no biggie. but i'm wondering what the rutgers players are saying about these developments, or are they saying anything? >>. >> reporter: well, right now the rutgers players have been responding to the firing of mike rice, for the most part. and it's interesting, a lot of the players are actually coming to rice's defense, saying that the video isn't what it seems. that rice made them better players. that he was just passionate about his job. and so it's interesting to hear their perspective on the fallout over this video. but of course i'm sure we'll be hearing more reaction from the players if these reports are true, that tim pernetti is out as well. >> okay. i don't think anybody would deny that mike rice was a passionate,

passionate person. you just have to look at some of the videos that have been playing live on television. people have been seeing or years the passion on the sidelines. it's just what passion is loued in private practices. thank you for that. i want to move on now to plan b, not because it's secondary in this newscast. b is for bombshell. a federal judge in new york today ruled the so-called morning-after pill, sold under the name plan b, will be available to women and girls of any age, and they don't need a prescription to get it. the center for reproductive rights sued the obama administration over age restrictions that supposedly put politics over science. i am joined by cnn's senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen. so elizabeth, effectively, a judge has come in and said the administration is wrong on this one, but it can't be the last word at this point. >> yes, they can always appeal

this decision, and in fact, when we got in touch with the fda, they said we can't comment on an ongoing legal process, makes me think they want this to go on longer than it already has. >> so what does this effectively mean? does this mean today, everywhere in the united states, if you are 16 or 14 years old and you don't want to tell your parents that you are pregnant or fearing of pregnancy, you can go and get plan b without anyone knowing? >> no, not the next day. what that decision says is in 30 days plan b should be made available to anybody who wants it without a prescription. right now, if you're under the age of 17, you would need a prescription, which would be something that would discourage girls from getting it because they might have to tell their parents, go to the doctor, so that would definitely be a discouragement, a roadblock, if you would, to getting that drug. >> i want to bring in our senior

analyst. as this breaks, it makes me wonder what kathryn sebelius and the health and human services department is saying. are the lawyers circling the wagons as we speak? >> reporter: well, presumably the justice department will try to get a stay in this ruling. but this is a 59-page opinion. it is so scathing, such an attack on health and human services for bowing to the pressure of conservatives to limit access to plan b. the judge has had this case for a decade. he has been frustrated over and over again as he has seen politics infect this process where he says all the evidence is that this drug is safe for over the counter use.

the only reason it's not available is because of political pressure, which the health and human services department bowed to. whether he's overturned by a higher court, we don't know, but the status quo is now that this drug should be available to anyone anytime soon. >> and would you make it clear, for anyone who doesn't understand, this is a brooklyn judge, how could that possibly a teenager in california or nevada or washington state? >> he is a united states district court judge, so this is where the challenge to the rule was brought. so his ruling, if it stands, has nationwide effect, and so it is a lot more than just brooklyn that is affected by this ruling. >> and elizabeth, maybe you could be clear for us on the statistics here. i think people might be shocked to hear that the united states has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the developed world, not

just by a little, but by a lot. does tv anything to do with the restrictions we have on contraceptives? >> it's harder to get them in this country than many other countries. they're more roadblocked than this one. but you also have to look at the poverty level here, which is higher here than other developed countries. also there's a culture in this country that could make some young people scared to talk to their parents about contraception. that culture doesn't exist in the same way in some other countries. but the end result of all of these things mixed together is that teen pregnancy rates in the u.s. are almost twice as high as they are in the united states kingdom and in canada. that's a huge difference. >> amazing, considering the lifestyles are so extremely similar in those particular nations. thank you for jumping on this

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james holmes is facing 166 charges including murder and attempted murder in that rampage in the screening of batman, the dark knight. the psychiatrist who treated james holmes warned police a month before the shooting spree. dr. fenton. in new york, defense attorney joey jackson. marty, let me start with you, if i can. can you tell me anything more specifically about the kind of drugs that they found in his home and the kinds of comments apparently that got that psychiatrist so worried she told the police? >> yeah, well, both of those are rather interesting. let's talk about the drugs first you mentioned. there was a breakdown. that's what we found in these documents was the detail. and the drugs that were found inside of the apartment, which

is the one located directly behind me here, they found antidepressants, anti-anxiety pills, ibuprofen, sleeping pills. that's quite a combination. also cans of beer, bullets and all the weaponry and paraphernalia. so the drugs raise a level of concern because it indicates you have a person who has some problems. then you have the psychiatrist, and as you point out, this is lynn fenton who came forward 38 days before the attack and went to the authorities here at the university of colorado and say, look, i have this client and i believe he's dangerous. he's having these confessions of wanting to commit homicide. the police officer took that down and felt so moved that she canceled his key card to certain areas on campus, but that's all the documents show. we don't know if any other action was taken, and many are going to look at this and say, oh, a missed opportunity here

that could have prevented the tragedy. that's too much to think here on just a document drop, but people are going to think that. >> when i hear antidepressants and anti-anxiety drugs found inside his home, i immediately think that's evidence in a case where you're trying to prove that you're insane. because one of the prongs you've got to prove is that he's been treated for these kinds of illnesses in the past and he's got the drugs to prove it. >> sure, ashleigh, but there is a problem here. if you're the defense, you're going to argue that this demonstrates he was suffering from mental disease for which he was getting treatment. that speaks to the issue of mental insanity. if you're the prosecutor, you start off by demonstrating what was in his home. that establishes a plan, in order to plan, you have to be lucid, you have to be logical.

under the colorado law, you have to show it's a mental disease. not one induced through medication. that's not acceptable. you have to show you were laboring under a mental disease, and number two, that you did not know right from wrong. if you go with the way the insanity, it is still a tough haul as a defense. >> marty, back to the issue of the comments that the psychiatrist made to the police. i'm not assuming the documents going into detail, but when you break privilege, it's got to be pretty darn serious. is anyone talking about what he said specifically, and then what was done about what he said? >> yeah, well, right now that conversation's only just beginning. we reached out to the university of colorado because it was their law enforcement to which the psychiatrist went. the psychiatrist was required by law to report this because of the very dangerous nature she felt from her client. but beyond that, the university is not commenting so far. they say that they have not had the chance to look through all of these documents. perhaps they will comment later.

so they haven't said anything. but specifically she described her client as dangerous. that was the word that was used. and then she also mentioned that he had stopped seeing her. in other words, he was no longer getting treatment from her. but in the same time he was sending her threatening e-mails and texts. so clearly, she was so worried she went to the authorities. but we don't know what was done after that, ashleigh. >> wow. i sense that the discovery process is going to be even more fascinating as those e-mails and texts come out. marty, great reporting. thank you. joey jackson, thank you as well. now i want to take you into the fairy tale world. snow white, you know the story with the seven dwarves. she now lives in an arizona courtroom in the jodi arias trial. trust me, you have got to see. e? it's post shredded wheat.

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trial now where yet again another head-scratching development in a deadly serious murder case in which the

defendant is claiming she was fighting for her life. in that effort, jodi arias's team has put forth an expert witness to say that jodi was a victim of domestic violence. but the prosecutor in this case seemed to have a tough same containing his disdain for this witness. >> do you want the truth, mr. martinez or yes or no? >> i'm asking you questions. you seem to be having trouble answering my questions. if you have a problem answering my question, ask me that. do you want to spar with me? will that affect the way you view your testimony. >> mr. martinez, are you angry at me? >> is that relevant to you? is that important to you? does that make any difference to your evaluation whether or not the prosecutor is angry? yes or no. >> objection. >> it makes a difference to me the way i'm spoken to, and i would like you to speak to me the way i speak to you. >> well, just when you thought

it was safe to pick your jaw up off the floor, snow white was invoked during cross-examination. the witness you're seeing, alice laviolette, has given lectures on fairy tale characters and domestic violence. here's a video found on youtube. she suggests that snow white could qualify as a woman of domestic violence. still cooking and cleaning and still whistling a happy tune. but that seemed to be enough for this prosecutor, martinez. he went off, especially when it came to comparing snow white to jodi arias. >> she lived in what could be best described as less than ideal circumstances, correct? >> right. >> and same thing with snow white, right? she lived in a situation that was less than ideal circumstances, right? >> she lived with the seven dwarves and according to the

disney version, she was pretty happy. >> she lived in a shack, right? >> i thought it was a cute little cottage. >> okay, but she's living with seven dwarves. no one her own age is living there, right? >> i don't know the age of the dwarves. i'm sorry. but i don't. >> okay, so joining me now is our correspondents. they are both smiling. but it's deadly serious. first to you, jean. we see all sorts of things happen in the courtroom and lots of things are made with unusual anecdotes. my interest is know how is it went over. were people fascinated or rolling their ice, and if you could be specific about the jury. >> i think people went both ways. i think some people were shocked. there was a stress that formed in your stomach when this started. other people know this is how mr. martinez is.

but the jury was focused. let's look at the evidence for a moment. mr. martinez's duty is to discredit this witness. this is his style. this is how he does it. but ashleigh, we will never see this again in modern times because let's look at the defense direct examination. they focus, especially yesterday, on the text messages, e-mails, instant messages, journal writings of travis. and they showed his anger through his own writing. and laviolette specializes in angry men. that's one of her specializations. and so then you have the cross-examination and you suddenly have that angry man that she has just explained is because of control, power and fear. it was an amazing dynamic. >> i get it. prosecutors will often use a rapid-fire, angry attack as a strategy to break a witness to get them to say something. i'm not sure where he was going with this witness because there would be evidence. travis was a victim here, but

make no mistake, there were some very ugly things he said to jodi arias. >> right. he hasn't finished his point. when court broke for the week, he was still making his comparison here to snow white. i think his point will ultimately be that she'll find abuse in almost any situation. she can turn a situation into an abusive one, even a popular fairy tale. he did get her at one point to say that jodi arias was the victim in this case. he said, you're telling me jodi arias is the victim here. and of course it is not in dispute that she butchered travis alexander, and that's why she's on trial. and she kind of faltered, and said, well, yes, in the abusive situation, she was the victim. >> so jean, the tactic is sometimes very successful and sometimes it backfires when you beat up on somebody on the witness stand. i'm not sure if you got a sense of it in the courtroom. did it feel like she was

adequately channeled or did it feel like she was just beaten up unfairly? >> let's put it this way. the stress and the tension in that courtroom and the feeling in many people's stomachs was a knot. so that would be sort of on the negative stuff. he's been like this with other witnesses, ashleigh. not all, some. but he wants to discredit some that he doesn't particularly like. this is the first lady he's done it to. and i don't want to sound sexist, but i think there is a different dynamic when do you is to a lady, someone who is very nice, very calming, as she testified. and someone that is an expert in her field. >> jean, i think you hit the on something there, because this jury is made up. of people from their 20s to their 70s and a lot of times people react differently if you're in a different demographic. jean and beth, do not go away. it would be great to ask juror number five what she thought about that exchange, and

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talk about juror number five in the jodi arias murder trial. she did not try to get out of jury duty. she got on it, and then got kicked off. but then she came back to watch in the courtroom. it's really hard to miss considering she has such a specific hairdo. you can't miss her in the gallery. jurors probably noticed her too. she got the most difficult and onerous case you would have to struggle with, a death penalty case, and instead of leaving it behind her, she came back for more. this is so unusual, so much so that the judge had to actually talk to the jury about this. >> ladies and gentlemen, juror number five is in the courtroom to observe as a member of the public. i want to remind you of the admonition. it continues to apply, and you should have no contact with juror number five until the trial is over. >> kind of awkward work having to sit there and listen.

in the meantime, this video is jodi arias as a bridesmaid. so unusual to see the murder defendant in a different role in life. her childhood friend has known jodi since sixth grade. she spoke to nancy grace, and this is what she told her. >> somebody that you grew up and you love so much, you know -- i'm sorry. it's just really heart-breaking. >> so that friend has been one in a steady stream of people who have come to visit jodi arias while she's been locked up and awaiting trial. in fact, we just got the visitor list, and here it is. these are the people who have visited her most often. her mother, 40 visits. her dad, only two, though. 60 visits by attorneys. 51 by friends. this is a little unusual.

four visits by people called supporters. i don't usually see supporters on a jail visitation list. and then take a look at that one at the top, mitigation, 45 visits. what is that? that's a woman named maria del rosa. she happens to be the one building the mitigation. that is the case to save jodi arias's life if in fact this jury finds her guilty and they go to another phase. the question then becomes for the jury, is jodi a life worth saving, and yes, that's a case you have to make. become with me in session. danny, some people might be surprised to hear there's a whole other case being prepared while this guilt and innocence case is ongoing. what is the mitigator doing and what has she been doing all this time in those visits? >> okay, ashleigh. in capital cases in arizona,

there are phases. there's the guilt or innocence phase. after that there may be an aggravation phase where we have to find out whether or not there were aggravating factors. phase three, will she get the death penalty or not? the mitigator's role is to develop the humanity of this advent. they're more like social workers. they have to interview people and ask very personal, very uncomfortable questions about this defendant's history. they are absolutely critical, constitutionally required and the fact she's been 40 or so times, absolutely acceptable. nothing strange about that. in fact, the more, the better. if there is a conviction and if there is a death penalty, it is important that the death penalty mitigation specialist has been out there as many times as possible to develop the mitigation phase which may be

longer than the guilt phase we're watching now. >> good point. so 45 visits that she's been combing jodi arias's mind for other people who feel the same way that patti felt about her. jean, if we end up in a death penalty phase, what kind of people might jodi have supplied to this litigation specialist to speak on her behalf and what kind of things would she say? >> let's start with her mother and father. ashleigh, we together covered a death penalty case out of mississippi, kharla hues. her mother and father took the stand and literally begged the jury to save their daughter's life. her father has only been to the jail a couple of times because he's not well. he's on dialysis. he is in california. will he be here and take the stand? also, schoolteachers, pastors if

she went to church when she was younger. people growing up to talk about the person she was, the person she is, what she can contribute to a prison setting in the future, the good influence she can lead and the good life she can lead. that's what the penalty phase will be about on the defense side. >> i just find it amazing, danny, that you say it can be even longer than the guilt or innocence phase because we've been at this for months. i have to say goodbye to both of you, but thank you, both. court's not in session today, but that doesn't mean there's not a lot of material that you can't have access to. i encourage you to go there. fascinating. a police officer officer and a murder suspect inside an interrogation room. this happens all the time. what doesn't happen is shots ringing out that leave both people dead. this happened in mississippi. it is a mystery. zap technology.

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it doesn't get much safer than inside a police station. that's what you would think, also what makes this next story pretty shocking. a veteran detective was interviewing a murder suspect inside the jackson, mississippi, police headquarters and then shots rang out. and now both of those men are dead. joining me now is defense attorney joey jackson, also a law professor and session contributor. we do not have all the details here. the circumstances are odd, to say the least. let me just ask this first, joey. usually you would think interrogation rooms have video. usually it is video that no one knows about. do you think that's the case in this circumstance, we can get the answers? >> it's difficult to say,

ashleigh. a lot of interrogation rooms don't have them because of constitutional protections and miranda and that sort of thing. we're unaware if there was a video and obviously if there is, that would shed the most light on what happened. but it calls into question what happened. and also there are protocols with weapons when you're dealing with suspects and potential defendants aren't even brought into the room. so it leads to wonder what exactly happened. and it's just tragic and sad particularly where there's an officer here, veteran officer, a wife, two children, it just really sickens you. >> so, danny, obviously the police department is usually the first people on a murder scene to do the investigation. this happened in the police department's home. do they do the murder investigation, or do they hands-off right away and have state or feds come in? >> that's a good question. whatever their individual local procedure will call for or they may be dealing with a case of

first impression here. this may not have ever happened in their police station. if i know police, they take these things personally and they're going to want to investigate their brother's homicide and keep that in-house. however, there certainly would be justification for an attorney general to come in and say maybe we should take this. the other thing is these video rooms don't always have video in them. but remember, they're called interview rooms because police are pretending these are mere interviews with suspects. they can become very high-stress environment. and it is possible when someone, once realizing this is no longer an interview but an interrogation may lose their temper and they might get ahold of a firearm. but we will have to see as facts develop. >> and i know the mississippi bureau of investigation has been brought in. in the meantime, joey, if we

have a victim -- i'm not sure which would be the victim, but i could only assume it's the murder suspect at this point -- do you have to build a case when you don't have a perp any longer? >> no. what'll end up happening is obviously it would be a criminal prosecution in the event that there was a survivor here, but he is dead. but it's still important for purposes of attempting to know what went wrong so it could be prevented in the future. so in terms of any type of criminal case or criminal prosecution, the person is dead, so that's not necessary. certainly i think the police officer wants to know, the whole precinct wants to know, the whole community of law enforcement wants to know how this happened, so that it could be prevented forever more. >> and i could just see attorneys across the country saying, ashleigh banfield, you do not know who could be the

perpetrator because there's been plenty of circumstances. we don't know who the perpetrator could be. thank you, both of you, for that. so if the aging baby boomers and the younger generation and all those people in between, what are their attitudes about legalizing pot? #%tia[ twenty-five thousand mornings, give or take, is all we humans get. we spend them on treadmills. we spend them in traffic.

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reefer madness, the wood stock generation, the rampant use of weed during vietnam, the war, and medical marijuana as well. these are all integral parts of the decades-old debate over whether pot should be legal across the united states. majority of americans have always been adamant, no, do not legalize pot. until now. for the first time since it began polling on the issue more than 40 years ago, the pew research center is finding that a majority of americans now favor legalizing marijuana. 52, 45. pew says the support for making pot legal has soared since 2010, 11 points. and this poll shows the big push is from young people. also more than half of boomers are now favoring legalizing marijuana. right now here is the state of

pot in the united states. 18 different states plus the district of columbia have chosen to legalize pot for medical states. two of those states, colorado and washington, have approved it for recreational use as well. joining us on the legalization of pot and if it will make any difference at all, our cnn analyst, and from the drug policy alliance. mr. nadeleman, let me begin with you. we've seen this before where generations of people change and attitudes change and then laws follow shortly thereafter. they change. do you expect that will be the case here? >> well, it's definitely going to be the case, ashleigh. back in the late '70s people thought we were on the verge of decriminalization of marijuana. but then nearly a third of

americans were in favor. now you're seeing this pew poll, gallup polls consistently showing a small majority of americans in favor. so what happened in washington and colorado during the last election is going to happen in other states around the country. in the same way that medical marijuana was legalized through the legislative process in 18 states today, we're going to see that same thing happen with the broader legalization of marijuana. >> let me bring in jeffrey cuban on this. a lot of people make the case on same-sex marriage and attitudes change, and the states started changing as well. there have been a number of of states, i think nine now, that allow same-sex marriage. and yet there is this wisdom out there that drugs are different, that marijuana is different. that this maybe isn't a civil rights issue that other people think it is. do you see this as being apples and oranges?

>> there is a parallel but also an important difference. with same-sex marriage, the federal government cannot and does not prohibit states from allowing same-sex marriage. there's a certain act which limits certain benefits for gay couples who are married, but they don't prohibit it. what makes marijuana different and unpredictable how it will work, is that even though washington and colorado have voted to legalize marijuana, it is still a federal crime to possess marijuana. and how federal and state law interacts is the big question that's unresolved at this point. >> so help me answer that question or at least get us as close as you can to an answer, jeffrey. do you think that maybe the polls that are out there and the growing support for legalizing marijuana or recreational or medicinal purposes, may have an effect on whether the feds

decide to ever prosecute any state where it's legal? >> i think that is a process that is unfolding. i don't think the political hav repeal the federal marijuana laws. but there is an ongoing negotiation process between those states and the federal government about how they will prosecute it. but frankly maybe ethan knows better than i do, but i don't know how the federal and state laws will interact as the states move to legalize. it's really a difficult question. >> ethan, i know you make this your daily work. >> yeah. well, i'll tell you, ashleigh, jeffrey's exactly right. what's going on right now is that the governors of washington and colorado have asked the justice department, attorney general holder and the white house, give us a chance to implement these new laws. and holder is obviously struggling with what to do right here. here's the real dilemma which is

that the feds to say to these governors in these two states, yes, go ahead, we're going to give you a qualifying green light to implement these laws is the right thing in terms of public safety, public health, regulating marijuana like alcohol. if on the other hand the feds say no way, federal law just trumps, that's it, we're not going to let you do this, then what's going to happen, it's not like marijuana's going to go away. it's going to be produced and sold, but it's going to continue to be illegal and be in the hands of criminals. and as my perspective when we see the next wave of ballot initiatives coming up in elections around the country, instead of doing responsible regulatory models to tax and regulate marijuana, the alternative is going to be what americans did in the late 1920s and early '30s with alcohol prohibition, which is repeal the state marijuana laws and say to the feds if you want to go ahead and enforce these laws, go ahead and try. >> remains to be seen whether that will be the pattern to

follow. but there are a lot of people out there who disagree with you and say it's not a safety issue at all. in fact, or it is a safety issue but not for the reasons that you say. you and are e i are going to have more conversations on this. >> i know. but from a rational perspective, you want to regulate, not criminalize. >> depends on what you consider rational. >> that's right. i agree with that. >> thank you for being with us. and jeffrey toobin, as always, i love to have your perspective. thanks for having a few minutes of your time. so this retired educator uses her retirement money not to grab a condo in florida but to spend it on this bus, a high-tech bus to bring computers to kids. how much do you love her? get smart about your weight. i tried weight loss plans... but their shakes aren't always made for people with diabetes. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. and they have six grams of sugars. with fifteen grams of protein to help manage hunger...

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